Probably should be said though: I'm not trying to convince you of anything here, or expecting that I could. Mostly trying to explain myself...and defend any image I might have in your mind as a guy with half a brain! *snerk*
*snerk* I think you're correct in that we're looking at this from enitrely different, equally valid, perspectives, and we're never going to agree on what we take from this episode. So I don't think you're brainless, or that you're trying to make me change my mind, and I assume you don't think the same of me. *g*
Pete & Jackie: I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here. Not many people seem to have as much of a problem with it as I do, which may mean it's a particular squick of mine.
Bridezilla and the Doctor Getting Over His Emo: Interesting. A lot of people do seem to see it as "the Doctor moving on," myself included. Maybe he'll still have emo for a couple episodes, but he's got to focus on this new problem, move the plot along in the Christmas special, etc. Maybe a bit more "life goes on," rather than "moving on," in the emotional sense? Whereas the last image of Rose we have is back with her family--which she's been indicating for two years she'd like to break ties with--and broken-hearted about the Doctor, a sobby, snotty grief which they focused on in excess of ten minutes in a show that's only forty-five minutes long. Seems unequal to me.
Rose's arc: Maybe I'm less trusting of my PTB? ;) Sure, she'll probably move on. I certainly hope so. But if Rusty's going to show that life goes on for the Doctor, then, if he wants me to believe the same of Rose, he should show it. Saying, oh, I'm working at Torchwood, my mom's having a baby, is not the same as showing. Possibly I'm a harder sell.
Mickey: I actually really like your idea about Mickey getting a conclusion to his arc. He's still not my favorite character in the world, but I liked him tons better starting with ROTC/AOS then I ever did in S1. But him seeing a bit of the universe with the Doctor and being inspired to do good things is actually a very plausible sort of arc. (Although if we find out at some later date that he and Rose got back together? I WILL NEVER WATCH THE SHOW AGAIN.)
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Rose's "arc" is actually a wickedly incisive satire on the "BoomerangGeneration." Heh. (That would give credence to my theory that T&C might have been a satire on the decline of the British Empire, as well, score!) But I think that's born of overthinking things a bit much... *g*
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Date: 2006-07-11 03:57 am (UTC)*snerk* I think you're correct in that we're looking at this from enitrely different, equally valid, perspectives, and we're never going to agree on what we take from this episode. So I don't think you're brainless, or that you're trying to make me change my mind, and I assume you don't think the same of me. *g*
Pete & Jackie: I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here. Not many people seem to have as much of a problem with it as I do, which may mean it's a particular squick of mine.
Bridezilla and the Doctor Getting Over His Emo: Interesting. A lot of people do seem to see it as "the Doctor moving on," myself included. Maybe he'll still have emo for a couple episodes, but he's got to focus on this new problem, move the plot along in the Christmas special, etc. Maybe a bit more "life goes on," rather than "moving on," in the emotional sense? Whereas the last image of Rose we have is back with her family--which she's been indicating for two years she'd like to break ties with--and broken-hearted about the Doctor, a sobby, snotty grief which they focused on in excess of ten minutes in a show that's only forty-five minutes long. Seems unequal to me.
Rose's arc: Maybe I'm less trusting of my PTB? ;) Sure, she'll probably move on. I certainly hope so. But if Rusty's going to show that life goes on for the Doctor, then, if he wants me to believe the same of Rose, he should show it. Saying, oh, I'm working at Torchwood, my mom's having a baby, is not the same as showing. Possibly I'm a harder sell.
Mickey: I actually really like your idea about Mickey getting a conclusion to his arc. He's still not my favorite character in the world, but I liked him tons better starting with ROTC/AOS then I ever did in S1. But him seeing a bit of the universe with the Doctor and being inspired to do good things is actually a very plausible sort of arc. (Although if we find out at some later date that he and Rose got back together? I WILL NEVER WATCH THE SHOW AGAIN.)
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Rose's "arc" is actually a wickedly incisive satire on the "Boomerang Generation." Heh. (That would give credence to my theory that T&C might have been a satire on the decline of the British Empire, as well, score!) But I think that's born of overthinking things a bit much... *g*