I'm still not quite sure I understand. They aren't related, right? Lily and Vivian, and Vivian and Chuck?
I think Lily and Vivian really are related, because otherwise Vivian would have to be the fiance's sister.
The step-family thing feels like such a cop-out. There has to be something more interesting happening here.
And since it's Lily, wouldn't she lie if it did?
It's kind of hard to lie about being Catholic if you're going into a convent. She'd have a lot of doctrine to learn and a lot of documentation to forge before her pregnancy started to show (unless the convent just *really* didn't care). It's more likely that Lily really is Catholic, and that Chuck's 'fake' mother, if she existed, was Jewish.
(Sidenote: there's no theological problem with a nun doubting her place in heaven.)
I was glad to see the metaphysics, finally.
(I'm guessing their stance on the afterlife is that if it exists, it starts some time after death, because nobody Ned's woken up has been all, "You took me away from the angels!" or "Thank GOD you got me out of the burning fires of hell!")
One could make the argument that heaven and hell are too remote from earthly human experience to be remembered that clearly upon re-awakening. It seems unlikely that they could parallel the mortal experience that closely. (That's what's always bugged me about reported near-death experiences: what's the point of dying if you're still trapped within mortal consciousness/perception/temporal linearity?) That's completely my opinion, not the show's, but point is, once you're getting into as murky a concept as human perception of death as a temporal construct, it's hard to find plot holes that can't be argued away.
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Date: 2008-10-17 10:14 pm (UTC)I think Lily and Vivian really are related, because otherwise Vivian would have to be the fiance's sister.
The step-family thing feels like such a cop-out. There has to be something more interesting happening here.
And since it's Lily, wouldn't she lie if it did?
It's kind of hard to lie about being Catholic if you're going into a convent. She'd have a lot of doctrine to learn and a lot of documentation to forge before her pregnancy started to show
(unless the convent just *really* didn't care). It's more likely that Lily really is Catholic, and that Chuck's 'fake' mother, if she existed, was Jewish.
(Sidenote: there's no theological problem with a nun doubting her place in heaven.)
I was glad to see the metaphysics, finally.
(I'm guessing their stance on the afterlife is that if it exists, it starts some time after death, because nobody Ned's woken up has been all, "You took me away from the angels!" or "Thank GOD you got me out of the burning fires of hell!")
One could make the argument that heaven and hell are too remote from earthly human experience to be remembered that clearly upon re-awakening. It seems unlikely that they could parallel the mortal experience that closely. (That's what's always bugged me about reported near-death experiences: what's the point of dying if you're still trapped within mortal consciousness/perception/temporal linearity?) That's completely my opinion, not the show's, but point is, once you're getting into as murky a concept as human perception of death as a temporal construct, it's hard to find plot holes that can't be argued away.