B5: Chatter, Recs, Ships (of both kinds!)

[icepixie]

I know you are all getting tired of my endless, endless B5-related chatter, so I am cutting for your reading convenience!

- Apparently this was the original five-year plan for B5. I...woooow. I'm really glad that never made it to the screen. WOW.

- Further things I'm glad never made it to the screen: apparently if Claudia Christian had stayed for S5, Ivanova was going to get involved with Byron. EW. There merest thought of that makes me nauseated.

- Poking around at the Lurker's Guide, I found that JMS is the same Meyers-Briggs type as I am (INTJ). This...doesn't surprise me in the least. If ever there were a textbook case of conceiving an idea and translating it to the real world, that would be it. (I often feel like a fraud of an INTJ, because I tend to fail at the "translating to the real world" part. I mean, I like to think about how my ideas would translate, but I'm too lazy to do it.)

- An unexpected consequence of watching "Sleeping in Light" is that I now ship Ivanova/Delenn like burning. And not necessarily just post-SiL, either, although it's certainly much easier at that point in the story. I...don't know? But if you know of (more) fic, I want to read it.

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Fic Recs:

Elements of Consolation by eye_of_a_cat - Delenn/Lennier, post-"Comes the Inquisitor." This beautiful piece is so perfectly Lennier, and utterly Delenn. If it ever happened, this is how.

What Seems Still by voleuse - A day in the life of Marcus Cole, who plans his days around Susan Ivanova. I've discovered that many Ivanova/Marcus fics are melodramatic and ridiculous; this is neither. It is instead a perfect representation of Marcus--devoted, patient, maybe a bit annoying, and sweet without being cloying.

Skuka, Holod i Granit by notjenny - This is the only way I can conceive of Ivanova/Marcus actually happening. Depressing--oh, yes, depressing, but Susan is Russian and she knows that Anna Karenina is as true a tale of love as exists in the world. (Her daydream is absolutely hilarious, too, in a darkly comic way.)

and finally a love poem, also by notjenny - Susan/Talia (S2) and Susan/Delenn (post-SiL). I love the contrasts between the two relationships presented here. Both are so real; both are so different.

Tangles by Aris Merquoni - Susan/Delenn friendship fic, set soon after SiL. Susan starts over. Delenn is there for her.

And finally, a vid rec: this video is a fan-made animation pitting ships from Star Trek, Star Wars, B5, and (old) BSG together in a big ol' firefight. Awesome.

Comments

[caffey.livejournal.com]

Apparently this was the original five-year plan for B5..

O.M.G. I stopped reading at Unclear exactly when this is revealed, but the secret behind Sinclair & the Battle of the Line is not that he becomes Valen (Valen is never mentioned in this outline), but that he is the person who has been prophesied to save the Minbari from dying off. In order to fulfill the prophesy, Delenn must transform to become human and mate with Sinclair. Their son will be some kind of chosen one who will save the Minbari race from extinction(???). Is it just me or does this, at least to some extent, sound like Frank Herbert's Dune?

Do I wanna continue reading?

Further things I'm glad never made it to the screen: apparently if Claudia Christian had stayed for S5, Ivanova was going to get involved with Byron.

Yuck. The thought is plain gross.

[icepixie]

Is it just me or does this, at least to some extent, sound like Frank Herbert's Dune?

Oh, it DOES. Apparently he moved on to cribbing from LOTR in the revision. And yeah, that section was where my eyebrows tried to crawl off my forehead. Dear LORD. It's almost fanficcy. BAD fanficcy.

Do I wanna continue reading?

There's some fairly entertaining crack later. Apparently Sinclair and Delenn's kid MAGICALLY AGES! to be an adult in three years or something, and they go on the run with all the other main characters, and then the show ends. The spinoff he was planning would basically do the Shadow War.

Yuck. The thought is plain gross.

I know. Ick, ick, ick.

[mylittleredgirl.livejournal.com]

HAHA OMG. That original B5 thing is so awesomely cracktastic. JMS has said he thought it up in the shower once and really it is JUST THAT CRAZY.

Also: I TOLD YOU CATHERINE SAKAI WAS ANNA SHERIDAN. I would have freaking DIED. I would have sobbed and raged.

I love that it's like, "At the end of the series, the station blows up and everyone hates them and they're probably going to die."

The thing I hated MOST about B5 (yes, MOST) was the way that S5 basically laid the seeds for everyone's doom and then LEFT THEM THERE WITHOUT RESOLVING ANYTHING. Fucking sleepers. *hates* So in the original version, I would have hated it just as much.

Although, I must say, I have always had a bit of a desire for one of my shows to have a series finale in which all of the main characters die awesomely and heroically to bring about the resolution to their intergalactic arcs. Is that wrong of me? I either like my finales to be like Star Trek TNG where the idea is "everything will be like it always was and things are great!" or "EVERYTHING IS OVER AND NO ONE HAS TO SUFFER ANYMORE."

:)

[icepixie]

That original B5 thing is so awesomely cracktastic. JMS has said he thought it up in the shower once and really it is JUST THAT CRAZY.

YUP.

Also: I TOLD YOU CATHERINE SAKAI WAS ANNA SHERIDAN. I would have freaking DIED. I would have sobbed and raged.

You were totally right! I don't think I would've sobbed and raged, because...I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been watching the series if it showed that plot outline. Ouch.

I love that it's like, "At the end of the series, the station blows up and everyone hates them and they're probably going to die."

O HAI, WE'RE MAKING A SPINOFF. PLZ WATCH.

The thing I hated MOST about B5 (yes, MOST) was the way that S5 basically laid the seeds for everyone's doom and then LEFT THEM THERE WITHOUT RESOLVING ANYTHING. Fucking sleepers. *hates*

Noooooo! Not the unresolved seeds of doom! (Um, I get the impression that everyone not seen in "Sleeping in Light" has DIED, quite honestly. Which is terribly sad.)

Personally, the thing I hate most at the moment is named BYRON.

Although, I must say, I have always had a bit of a desire for one of my shows to have a series finale in which all of the main characters die awesomely and heroically to bring about the resolution to their intergalactic arcs. Is that wrong of me?

Well, i don't know if everyone dies heroically, exactly, but you might like the finale to Forever Knight. Everyone but one vampire dies, or has died in a recent episode. Eeeeeveryone.

That particular finale filled me with ANGST at the time, and were I watching it today, it would probably fill me with RAGE. But to each her own!

I either like my finales to be like Star Trek TNG where the idea is "everything will be like it always was and things are great!" or "EVERYTHING IS OVER AND NO ONE HAS TO SUFFER ANYMORE."

Heh heh. I like my finales to be sort of like, "Okay, so we solved the problem/completed the mission/finished our arc, and we're all moving on to the next stage of our lives now. Sorry you the viewer can't come along, but enjoy fanficcing it!" And I prefer that next stage of life not to be "death." :D

[mylittleredgirl.livejournal.com]

I was just devastated by the DS9 finale, though, because it was, like, EVERYONE SPLIT UP, AND THERE WAS SOME DEATH, AND EVERYONE IS KIND OF SAD ABOUT THEIR NEW LIVES...? They resolved the arcs which was SO GREAT, but then I was left with this feeling of "... oh, no, MY PEOPLE ARE SLIPPING AWAYYYYY!"

"Next phase of life" would totally be okay as long as they ALL DO IT TOGETHER. I have abandonment issues with my TV shows. ;)

I am told by most of the internets that no sane person likes the finale of Forever Knight. I'm not at all into pointless death. I just mean that... damn, why can't I think of a good example now? *hrm* In the morning, perhaps. :)

BYRON. HAHA. Okay, Season 5 is just so dumb in so many ways, and the telepath arc was just... really weird. Though necessary. BUT WEIRD. My Byron story is that I had noooo idea who he was, and I met the actor at a convention when I was pretty young. (I was way behind on B5, I guess? I'm not quite sure how this happened that I didn't know.) I was volunteering (fan-run-con-win!) and was setting up this random room for B5 autographs and he helped me hang up banners for a while because he was so much taller than me. (And didn't care that I didn't know who he was, even though I was insanely embarrassed (he asked me if I watched B5 and I was like "YES I LOVE IT!... omg, you're on that show!? What's wrong with me!??") So once I saw him on the show, I couldn't hate him despite the epic dumbness of the character, because the actor was such a nice guy!

You were totally right! I don't think I would've sobbed and raged, because...I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been watching the series if it showed that plot outline. Ouch.

*was desperate for sci-fi that we could get on our rabbit ears in the middle of the boonies, which was sometimes B5, and you could kind of see the X-Files if someone stood by the window with an antennae extension*

My Sinclair/Delenn icon is now double win, by the way.

[icepixie]

"Next phase of life" would totally be okay as long as they ALL DO IT TOGETHER. I have abandonment issues with my TV shows. ;)

HAHAHAHA. So they should all stay the same rank and on the same ship for ever and ever amen? ;) I see what you mean, though.

I am told by most of the internets that no sane person likes the finale of Forever Knight.

This is pretty much true, yes.

I'm not at all into pointless death. I just mean that... damn, why can't I think of a good example now? *hrm* In the morning, perhaps. :)

Yeah, I'm haivng a hard time thinking of one where everyone dies heroically as well...

BYRON. HAHA. Okay, Season 5 is just so dumb in so many ways, and the telepath arc was just... really weird. Though necessary. BUT WEIRD.

It makes me want to throw things at the TV screen. GAAAAAAAH.

My Byron story...

Awwwww, that is so sweet! I'm glad the actor's a nice guy, at least, even if his character's a tool.

*was desperate for sci-fi that we could get on our rabbit ears in the middle of the boonies, which was sometimes B5, and you could kind of see the X-Files if someone stood by the window with an antennae extension*

Heh heh heh. I was blessed with cable back when the Sci-Fi Channel actually showed science fiction.

My Sinclair/Delenn icon is now double win, by the way.

BWAH.

[aris-tgd.livejournal.com]

Hey, thanks for the rec! I've written more B5 stuff, though, uh, can't remember if any of it is stuff you 'ship.

It's all linked from the top of aris_writing, in any case. :)

[icepixie]

Hey, thanks for the rec! I've written more B5 stuff, though, uh, can't remember if any of it is stuff you 'ship.

Heh. At this point, I think I ship Everyone/Everyone on this show, or just about, anyway. It's kind of insane.

It's all linked from the top of aris_writing, in any case. :)

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