I think we watch this show sometimes from very different angles, and never more than tonight.
Heh. Not surprising. ;)
I think the fact that this is a family/kid's show is key here. Rose makes her sacrifice to save the world, but in the world of this show there IS a magic which often saves you at the last moment.
Whereas my view of the "magic" is "Even when you've reached adulthood, you're still going to get into trouble that only your parents can save you from. You're not self-sufficient. Let other people make decisions for you; you can't know what you want/need." Which I think is a bit of a crap message for a kids show. Also, Pete saving her rankled because I saw it as a realization of Rusty's stubborn refusal to let consequences touch his personal Mary Sue. Rose decides to stay with the Doctor forever or stay with him and die trying to save the Earth, but when that last one threatens--whoop! Can't have that! Gotta pull her out of there!
she's the sort of bird (errr, no Brit-pun intended there, sorry!) that has to be pushed from the nest before she can fly.
And to me, this was saying, "Yes, she CAN'T fly! No leaving the nest for her!" I think if we'd seen her working for Torchwood and making something out of her life, rather than just being told, in one little bit of dialogue, that she was going to work for them, I would've liked it so much more. But our last image of Rose is her crying her heart out on a beach, back with the people she'd frankly been trying to leave for two years (visiting is good, but I think it was obvious that she didn't want to live with Jackie and Mickey anymore) mourning her relationship with the Doctor. I get no hope, no sense that she's been changed by her time with the Doctor, from that image.
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Date: 2006-07-09 07:03 pm (UTC)Heh. Not surprising. ;)
I think the fact that this is a family/kid's show is key here. Rose makes her sacrifice to save the world, but in the world of this show there IS a magic which often saves you at the last moment.
Whereas my view of the "magic" is "Even when you've reached adulthood, you're still going to get into trouble that only your parents can save you from. You're not self-sufficient. Let other people make decisions for you; you can't know what you want/need." Which I think is a bit of a crap message for a kids show. Also, Pete saving her rankled because I saw it as a realization of Rusty's stubborn refusal to let consequences touch his personal Mary Sue. Rose decides to stay with the Doctor forever or stay with him and die trying to save the Earth, but when that last one threatens--whoop! Can't have that! Gotta pull her out of there!
she's the sort of bird (errr, no Brit-pun intended there, sorry!) that has to be pushed from the nest before she can fly.
And to me, this was saying, "Yes, she CAN'T fly! No leaving the nest for her!" I think if we'd seen her working for Torchwood and making something out of her life, rather than just being told, in one little bit of dialogue, that she was going to work for them, I would've liked it so much more. But our last image of Rose is her crying her heart out on a beach, back with the people she'd frankly been trying to leave for two years (visiting is good, but I think it was obvious that she didn't want to live with Jackie and Mickey anymore) mourning her relationship with the Doctor. I get no hope, no sense that she's been changed by her time with the Doctor, from that image.