BSG 4.11: "Sometimes a Great Notion"

[icepixie]

So. That felt...like overly dramatic filler, really. I can't say as I liked it too well. I kept waiting for some important discovery or for them to set off to find another planet. (Actually, I sort of figured there might be something like the Temple of Jupiter pointing the way to some other place they could go, but apparently not.) Dee shooting herself came out of nowhere. I guess it was meant to carry on from her complete froked-out-ness on the planet, but damn. She was so happy! And she and Gaeta had just had a Moment that culminated in a cool shot of both of them in the mirror! (I've shipped Dee/Gaeta for a long time now, and I'm not about to stop.) Something tells me she won't stay dead for long, though.

The whole Adama/Tigh suicide scene was also confuzzling. I guess they wanted to show people crushed by the dissolution of the dream of Earth without knowing how to do it subtly? Er. Yeah, that scene didn't do much for me.

I did enjoy Roslin going a bit crazy and yet holding on to her little flower. Aww. (The scene where she picked it up reminded me of Wall-E, with the tiny plant on begarbaged Earth.)

Kara's two bodies are also interesting! I wonder, if she is a Cylon, would she have been able to reincarnate once she died on Earth? I was thinking they'd destroyed the Resurrection ships by then, but maybe my timeline's off. I guess she wouldn't have come back on one of those anyway, because then she would've known. Maybe there's one built by the thirteenth tribe hanging out around Earth somewhere that also surpresses memory? Or something?

...I still think she's a goddess of some kind. That's my theory, I'm stickin' to it. Although the thought of Ellen as Cylon number five kind of turns my stomach. Seriously? Her? I'm also not totally sure it's not Tigh just seeing things, because as I recall he's done that before, yes? So I'm holding out hope it's still someone more interesting. (Also, my pet theory that it's Zarek still holds.)

Maybe EVERYONE'S a Cylon!

Further thoughts:

- The shaky cam is back. Boooooo. I hate the shaky cam.

- I'm curious what Leoben knows that he isn't telling, because it has to be something.

- Burning a book on a spaceship seems somehow unwise, dear.

- The silhoutte shots of Kara building a pyre for her old body and burning it were awesome, but perhaps she should've saved the body for study? They could've found out what she was, perhaps? I guess she didn't want to let anyone know she was a potential Cylon, but still. Science!

- Lee's hair could use some taming, and possibly a cut.

- I don't quite know what to make of the "thirteenth tribe was all Cylon" revelation yet. I'm sure they'll do something with it soon.

Comments

[orangetango.livejournal.com]

I'm also not totally sure it's not Tigh just seeing things, because as I recall he's done that before, yes?

Yes, he definitely, definitely has. I'm hoping it's just him seeing things. Really hoping.

(Also, my pet theory that it's Zarek still holds.)

That is my favorite of all the Cylon theories and I still have a liiiiitle bit of hope that it turns out to be true.

Maybe EVERYONE'S a Cylon!

I admit, I am going to feel a little let down if that's the case. Like when Time magazine made "You" the person of the year.

The silhoutte shots of Kara building a pyre for her old body and burning it were awesome, but perhaps she should've saved the body for study?

I KNOW, RIGHT?? I was screaming that at the TV during the burn scene.

Lee's hair could use some taming, and possibly a cut.

I disagree. In my mind he's never looked hotter.

[rivrea.livejournal.com]

I really liked that episode, but then I'm fond of angsty stuff where nothing happens except for people angsting. A lot.

Fondness is perhaps the wrong word to describe it. For me, this was the televisual equivalent to a punch in the solarplexus. I think in order to calm down and go to sleep tonight, I will have to focus on the stuff I didn't like (basically all the scenes with Adama Sr. as well as the underwhelming Fifth Cylon revelation) and the involuntary crack it once again delivered (Sam Anders is Bob Dylan!?!).

*wibbles*

[primroseburrows.livejournal.com]

Dee shooting herself came out of nowhere.

I think that was the point, although the fucked-up-ness on the planet was definitely needed to give the whole thing continuity. It was about how much impact the discovery of nuked!Earth had on everyone, even on steady, sweet, reliable Dee.

Something tells me she won't stay dead for long, though.

I think she's pretty dead. But who am I to speculate? These guys are tricksy. *g*

The whole Adama/Tigh suicide scene was also confuzzling. I guess they wanted to show people crushed by the dissolution of the dream of Earth without knowing how to do it subtly? Er. Yeah, that scene didn't do much for me.

I actually liked that scene, but I wouldn't have liked it as much if Tigh hadn't refused the drink Adama offered. That to me shows real character development. Not that Tigh will never drink again--he's an alcoholic, it ain't that easy--but still. I thought it was kind of powerful, and that part was pretty subtle, because it wasn't dwelt on at all.

Kara's two bodies are also interesting!

I know! Talk about going on a journey to find yourself. *g*

I wonder, if she is a Cylon, would she have been able to reincarnate once she died on Earth?

I don't think she's a Cylon, but I'm curious as to what the hell she IS.

I'm also not totally sure it's not Tigh just seeing things, because as I recall he's done that before, yes?

That's what I thought at first, but according to TPTB, Ellen's the fifth. Apparently they decided that between seasons 3 and 4.

Maybe EVERYONE'S a Cylon!

sdwolfpup has the same theory here (http://sdwolfpup.livejournal.com/483934.html?nc=6). I really like it.

I'm curious what Leoben knows that he isn't telling, because it has to be something.

Leoben always knows something that he isn't telling. This time it looks like he was wrong about a lot of things and it's freaking him out (and I think the way it was done was great because it shows that the humans aren't the only ones having meltdowns over everything). But I think you're right, he knows a lot more stuff. Screw the Caprica prequel; the new series should be Leoben Explains it All.

[icepixie]

I ahve to admit, I like the faster-paced episodes better. I'm easily bored, I guess. :D

[icepixie]

Yes, he definitely, definitely has. I'm hoping it's just him seeing things. Really hoping.

Indeed. The idea of Ellen Tigh as not only the fifth Cylon, but as the mastermind behind much of their activities makes me feel a bit sick.

That is my favorite of all the Cylon theories and I still have a liiiiitle bit of hope that it turns out to be true.

*crosses fingers*

I admit, I am going to feel a little let down if that's the case. Like when Time magazine made "You" the person of the year.

I think I could be happy with it. They could spin it as breaking out of the "all of this has happened before; all of this will happen again" cycle, or something.

I KNOW, RIGHT?? I was screaming that at the TV during the burn scene.

Arrrrgh. Impulsive cremation is never the answer!

I disagree. In my mind he's never looked hotter.

I seem to recall his hair as shorter and less sticking-up-all-over in previous seasons, which I think looks better on him, but he doesn't look bad now...

[icepixie]

I think that was the point, although the fucked-up-ness on the planet was definitely needed to give the whole thing continuity. It was about how much impact the discovery of nuked!Earth had on everyone, even on steady, sweet, reliable Dee.

Yeahbut...I dunno. Felt like, "Oh, we need to kill someone. Who've we got left that we can get rid of?" Bah.

I think she's pretty dead. But who am I to speculate? These guys are tricksy. *g*

I'm starting to think everyone's going to come back at some point, because everyone's really a Cylon. :D

I actually liked that scene, but I wouldn't have liked it as much if Tigh hadn't refused the drink Adama offered. That to me shows real character development. Not that Tigh will never drink again--he's an alcoholic, it ain't that easy--but still. I thought it was kind of powerful, and that part was pretty subtle, because it wasn't dwelt on at all.

Ah, I didn't even notice that bit. Um, good for Tigh? I was mostly annoyed at the overacting contest going on between Olmos and Hogan. (Olmos was definitely winning.)

I don't think she's a Cylon, but I'm curious as to what the hell she IS.

She HAS to be a goddess. Surely.

That's what I thought at first, but according to TPTB, Ellen's the fifth. Apparently they decided that between seasons 3 and 4.

Aw, man. That's why I try to avoid reading anything extra-curricular that TPTB have to say about the show. Then I can still hope it's all a dream.

sdwolfpup has the same theory here. I really like it.

I could live with it. I really seem to have lost any knack for speculation about this show over hte long hiatus; I think grad school's fried my brain.

Leoben always knows something that he isn't telling. This time it looks like he was wrong about a lot of things and it's freaking him out (and I think the way it was done was great because it shows that the humans aren't the only ones having meltdowns over everything).

He heh. Poor Leoben.

But I think you're right, he knows a lot more stuff. Screw the Caprica prequel; the new series should be Leoben Explains it All.

Hee. Can he have a pet alligator and have his buddy Kara come visiting through the window?

[primroseburrows.livejournal.com]

I'm starting to think everyone's going to come back at some point, because everyone's really a Cylon. :D

There's gonna have to be a hella big resurrection hub somwhere, yessir. *g*

I was mostly annoyed at the overacting contest going on between Olmos and Hogan.

I do admit it was a little overdone, but I liked the character development.

She HAS to be a goddess. Surely.

Gee, I always thought she was, already. Or maybe that's just me crushing on a character yet AGAIN.

He heh. Poor Leoben.

I love Leoben. And not because it's CKR. I mean, I don't love the dad in Falling Angels, or anything (although I do love the movie).*g*

Hee. Can he have a pet alligator and have his buddy Kara come visiting through the window?

Yes. There should also be Fraggles. (http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/news/photoquality/Fraggles.jpg)

[icepixie]

Gee, I always thought she was, already. Or maybe that's just me crushing on a character yet AGAIN.

Heh. She's really not a favorite of mine, but surely at this point she must turn out to have some kind of superpower.

Yes. There should also be Fraggles.

There should always be Fraggles.

[alto2.livejournal.com]

Kara's two bodies are also interesting! I wonder, if she is a Cylon, would she have been able to reincarnate once she died on Earth? I was thinking they'd destroyed the Resurrection ships by then, but maybe my timeline's off.

I just rewatched "The Hub" on my way back from Vermont, and it's the next-to-last ep from last summer, so Kara was back by the time they nuked the hubs. She's back by ep 3 and then takes the Demetrius on her Wild Goose Chase To Find Earth, remember? (I forgot and had to look it up, if it makes you feel any better--that whole subplot didn't do much for me.)

And yeah, I couldn't figure out why she would burn that body rather than try to figure out who/what it really was--or why she shut up so fast when Lee was talking about Dee, considering that she seemed pretty damn intent on telling him what was going on until then. I mean, I get that Dee just died and she knows Lee's upset, but when the heck has that ever stopped Kara before??

You're not the first one to mention the Everyone's a Cylon thing, either. This should get interesting...especially given the thirteenth tribe thing. I think that's where people are getting the idea that everyone's a Cylon, actually.

Leoben all freaked out was freaking ME out. So much for Kara Thrace and her Special Destiny?

Ellen. Cripe. What a total frakking letdown. (Call me crazy, but I never liked her and was glad to see her go). I guess she's still alive somewhere out there, though, if this is for real (does this show have TPTB like DW does, who lie through their teeth? Or do we have to assume they're telling the truth this time? I suppose I could go watch the commentary version on SciFi.com, but I don't know if I really feel like it...).

Lee's hair could use some taming, and possibly a cut.

Ack! No! No no no!

[icepixie]

I just rewatched "The Hub" on my way back from Vermont, and it's the next-to-last ep from last summer, so Kara was back by the time they nuked the hubs. She's back by ep 3 and then takes the Demetrius on her Wild Goose Chase To Find Earth, remember? (I forgot and had to look it up, if it makes you feel any better--that whole subplot didn't do much for me.)

I thought her coming back was much later in the season, for some reason. I do remember the garbage scow, but I was thinking she followed her star, or whatever, while they were warping back to Galactica, and then showed up the new Viper.

And yeah, I couldn't figure out why she would burn that body rather than try to figure out who/what it really was--or why she shut up so fast when Lee was talking about Dee, considering that she seemed pretty damn intent on telling him what was going on until then. I mean, I get that Dee just died and she knows Lee's upset, but when the heck has that ever stopped Kara before??

I don't know. Kara is impenetrable to me.

Ellen. Cripe. What a total frakking letdown.

Yep.

(Call me crazy, but I never liked her and was glad to see her go).

Me too!

I guess she's still alive somewhere out there, though, if this is for real (does this show have TPTB like DW does, who lie through their teeth? Or do we have to assume they're telling the truth this time? I suppose I could go watch the commentary version on SciFi.com, but I don't know if I really feel like it...).

I hope Ron Moore & co. are lying liars. I don't want her to be the fifth.

Ack! No! No no no!

It looked like it was in awkward stage where he wasn't quite sure whether to tame it or let it run wild. He needs to make a decision.

[alto2.livejournal.com]

The only thing I can figure for Kara burning the body is that she thinks she's a skinjob and doesn't want anyone to know. Kinda hard to get around that problem if you walk up to Cottle or Baltar and say, "Hey, just found this body that says it's me, wanna do some testing and find out?" I am totally intrigued by where that's going. Especially since Leoben actually ran away from her for the first time ever.

I hope they are lying liars, too. I don't want Ellen to be the highly anti-climactic revelation we've all been waiting for. Unless...no, even if there was some phenomenally good reason, I'm still not sure I'd like it, much less buy it.

It looked like it was in awkward stage where he wasn't quite sure whether to tame it or let it run wild. He needs to make a decision.

Hmm. Seemed fine to me, but then...this is me talking. ;)

[primroseburrows.livejournal.com]

Leoben. And Fraggles. It's twisted, but in a kind of awesome way. :)