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icepixieFirst of all, happy 11/11/11, everyone!
Aiiiieeee, this episode! How do they manage to pack so much awesome into one hour?
The opening was...pretty much my favorite part, yeah. So, SO glad they gave us this rather than leaving us to twist completely in the wind in re: Peter/Olivia. And it was so sweeeeeet! With them in the grass and Walter playing on the swings and and and pleeeeeeeease let this happen for real someday!
So, er, in his dreams does Peter not remember which hand a wedding ring goes on, or was there a technical reason for them to mirror the image? Whoops.
I was at first thinking it might be a memory from future!blue!timeline, but IIRC Walter was locked up by the time Peter and Olivia got married, so apparently not. I was so hoping that Olivia's dreams of Peter would've been the same as his dreams of her, but it seems not to be. Too bad.
You could really see Anna Torv transition from playing Bluelivia to Amberlivia when she said "there's a problem," couldn't you? ALL THE AWARDS.
And then Peter wakes up in his little cell. He doesn't even have a blanket! :(
Hmmm, so with the time events, are we getting to the point on Amberworld where they're going to have to go public about fringe events like Redworld did? I know they stopped what was causing these particular ones, but as Peter said, he seems to be the ultimate cause of them, and he's not going away.
"Walter's made it pretty clear he doesn't want anything to do with you." SADFACE.
Hey, look, there's some evidence of cross-universe interaction! Hee, Amber gets technology from Red. Even if it's poorly-documented.
Awww, Peter's new wardrobe just makes him look even more alone and sad in this world that doesn't remember him. As does Walter calling him "the subject." And "it"! And then snatching the book away from him! Oh, Peter.
I'd read that they wanted to return to Peter's genius roots, and I see they managed to do it this time. That was always a bit of an informed characteristic, so I'm glad they're actually making use of it.
Awww, Olivia's the Walter Whisperer now while Peter stands by and looks vaguely peeved.
Hmmm, so Peter didn't know about his appearances. I really want to know where he was and what he was doing in those three weeks between changing the timeline and showing back up. Observer hell?
ARRGGGHHH, dammit, Lincoln, why did you have to interrupt just when Peter was about to tell her they used to be together?! Go wait outside until he's finished!
"This is gonna start getting annoying." Peterrrrr, I missed your snark! Also your general working-with-Olivianess. Things feel kind of like they've gone back to normal! That was totally the missing ingredient in this universe!
Awww, Peter's stuck in the back of the car while Lincoln gets shotgun. :(
The mystery of the week was reasonably effective--Fringe is always good at wringing emotion from its audience via its guest characters, although I called Kate scratching out her equations practically from the moment Stephen Root(!) revealed the machine was based on them--but I think I didn't get the full impact of it because I was busy thinking, "Yes, but there are MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, and obviously Peter is the root cause of these time slips and BY THE WAY MORE PETER/OLIVIA PLZ." And indeed it seems Peter is the cause of them, since his presence was the only thing that allowed the couple's machine to work. Lucky for them they live in Boston, I suppose.
Astrid: This goes into your neck.
Peter: Of course it does.
Never leave us again, Peter!
Ohhhh, Walter looks way too happy about the possibility of Peter going up in a puff of smoke. :(
I loved the way Olivia kept looking at Peter all through this episode. She seemed so intrigued. It was particularly apparent in the scenes where they were at the house.
Well, I'm pretty sure Peter's theory that he's in another universe is a bust. Presumably we wouldn't have spent all this time with the Amber characters if they weren't going to be important. Also, the writers have been pretty good about only giving us two universes at a time to deal with. I'm a little annoyed that he's thinking that, because it's reasonably obvious that it's wrong and I dislike knowing that the characters' theories are going to be a bust but still having to watch them figure it out. However, the writers may yet figure out a way to make Peter partially right, I suppose...
It's the Bishop house! Yay!
Is the "Do I get an allowance?" / "I'll see what I can do" exchange also from the pilot or another early episode? It felt kind of familiar.
"She was important to you, wasn't she? I see the way you look at me when you think I'm not aware of it." Awwww. I see Olivia is no longer scared of him, I guess because she's explained away his knowledge of her as knowledge of another Olivia. You know, I think it would be interesting if everyone getting their Blueverse memories back--which I still think is going to happen, argh--is in some way dependent on believing in Blueverse, and especially on Olivia believing in Blueverse. Like, her powers have been so integral to the show, and they depend so much on a state of mind, that...I dunno, I feel like this could be used to help fix the timeline in an interesting way. Plus there was that thing with the white tulips and snow in "Subject 13," which basically seemed to say that if Olivia could imagine it, it could exist. I really don't want it to be that easy, but I think it would be cool if they used Olivia's mental abilities as part of fixing the timeline and if that fix also had something to do with perception of reality. I think there's something in Foucault about representation and subjective reality that speaks to what I'm trying to get at here, but I can't remember the term I want. Anyway, since this is Fringe, I'm reasonably certain any technology used to get back to Blueverse, in whatever way, is going to require an application of FEEEEEELINGS, so why not perception as well?
Aiiiieeee, this episode! How do they manage to pack so much awesome into one hour?
The opening was...pretty much my favorite part, yeah. So, SO glad they gave us this rather than leaving us to twist completely in the wind in re: Peter/Olivia. And it was so sweeeeeet! With them in the grass and Walter playing on the swings and and and pleeeeeeeease let this happen for real someday!
So, er, in his dreams does Peter not remember which hand a wedding ring goes on, or was there a technical reason for them to mirror the image? Whoops.
I was at first thinking it might be a memory from future!blue!timeline, but IIRC Walter was locked up by the time Peter and Olivia got married, so apparently not. I was so hoping that Olivia's dreams of Peter would've been the same as his dreams of her, but it seems not to be. Too bad.
You could really see Anna Torv transition from playing Bluelivia to Amberlivia when she said "there's a problem," couldn't you? ALL THE AWARDS.
And then Peter wakes up in his little cell. He doesn't even have a blanket! :(
Hmmm, so with the time events, are we getting to the point on Amberworld where they're going to have to go public about fringe events like Redworld did? I know they stopped what was causing these particular ones, but as Peter said, he seems to be the ultimate cause of them, and he's not going away.
"Walter's made it pretty clear he doesn't want anything to do with you." SADFACE.
Hey, look, there's some evidence of cross-universe interaction! Hee, Amber gets technology from Red. Even if it's poorly-documented.
Awww, Peter's new wardrobe just makes him look even more alone and sad in this world that doesn't remember him. As does Walter calling him "the subject." And "it"! And then snatching the book away from him! Oh, Peter.
I'd read that they wanted to return to Peter's genius roots, and I see they managed to do it this time. That was always a bit of an informed characteristic, so I'm glad they're actually making use of it.
Awww, Olivia's the Walter Whisperer now while Peter stands by and looks vaguely peeved.
Hmmm, so Peter didn't know about his appearances. I really want to know where he was and what he was doing in those three weeks between changing the timeline and showing back up. Observer hell?
ARRGGGHHH, dammit, Lincoln, why did you have to interrupt just when Peter was about to tell her they used to be together?! Go wait outside until he's finished!
"This is gonna start getting annoying." Peterrrrr, I missed your snark! Also your general working-with-Olivianess. Things feel kind of like they've gone back to normal! That was totally the missing ingredient in this universe!
Awww, Peter's stuck in the back of the car while Lincoln gets shotgun. :(
The mystery of the week was reasonably effective--Fringe is always good at wringing emotion from its audience via its guest characters, although I called Kate scratching out her equations practically from the moment Stephen Root(!) revealed the machine was based on them--but I think I didn't get the full impact of it because I was busy thinking, "Yes, but there are MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, and obviously Peter is the root cause of these time slips and BY THE WAY MORE PETER/OLIVIA PLZ." And indeed it seems Peter is the cause of them, since his presence was the only thing that allowed the couple's machine to work. Lucky for them they live in Boston, I suppose.
Astrid: This goes into your neck.
Peter: Of course it does.
Never leave us again, Peter!
Ohhhh, Walter looks way too happy about the possibility of Peter going up in a puff of smoke. :(
I loved the way Olivia kept looking at Peter all through this episode. She seemed so intrigued. It was particularly apparent in the scenes where they were at the house.
Well, I'm pretty sure Peter's theory that he's in another universe is a bust. Presumably we wouldn't have spent all this time with the Amber characters if they weren't going to be important. Also, the writers have been pretty good about only giving us two universes at a time to deal with. I'm a little annoyed that he's thinking that, because it's reasonably obvious that it's wrong and I dislike knowing that the characters' theories are going to be a bust but still having to watch them figure it out. However, the writers may yet figure out a way to make Peter partially right, I suppose...
It's the Bishop house! Yay!
Is the "Do I get an allowance?" / "I'll see what I can do" exchange also from the pilot or another early episode? It felt kind of familiar.
"She was important to you, wasn't she? I see the way you look at me when you think I'm not aware of it." Awwww. I see Olivia is no longer scared of him, I guess because she's explained away his knowledge of her as knowledge of another Olivia. You know, I think it would be interesting if everyone getting their Blueverse memories back--which I still think is going to happen, argh--is in some way dependent on believing in Blueverse, and especially on Olivia believing in Blueverse. Like, her powers have been so integral to the show, and they depend so much on a state of mind, that...I dunno, I feel like this could be used to help fix the timeline in an interesting way. Plus there was that thing with the white tulips and snow in "Subject 13," which basically seemed to say that if Olivia could imagine it, it could exist. I really don't want it to be that easy, but I think it would be cool if they used Olivia's mental abilities as part of fixing the timeline and if that fix also had something to do with perception of reality. I think there's something in Foucault about representation and subjective reality that speaks to what I'm trying to get at here, but I can't remember the term I want. Anyway, since this is Fringe, I'm reasonably certain any technology used to get back to Blueverse, in whatever way, is going to require an application of FEEEEEELINGS, so why not perception as well?
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Date: 2011-11-12 07:35 pm (UTC)SCIENCE.
With them in the grass and Walter playing on the swings and and and pleeeeeeeease let this happen for real someday!
FLAILFLAILFLAILFLAIL
So, er, in his dreams does Peter not remember which hand a wedding ring goes on, or was there a technical reason for them to mirror the image?
I'm thinking it's mirrored, since Joshua Jackson is normally so left-hand-dominant, and I'm pretty sure the little scar on the right side of his face isn't visible where it should be. I mean... I'm totally not creepily over-observant... But yeah, odd to flip a scene where a wedding ring is such a major prop. Hm.
I was at first thinking it might be a memory from future!blue!timeline
Yeah, Walter definitely missed the future!wedding. This does point to Peter maybe remembering all of 2026's events, though. But from his "three years" comment, this dream seems to be happening in the almost immediate future? So Peter, sappy romantic that he is, is planning on marrying Olivia pretty much as soon as he gets the whole apocalypse thing sorted out? Awwwwwww!
ALL THE AWARDS.
ALL OF THEM.
He doesn't even have a blanket! :(
He has one! It's just that he's using it for a mattress. :( :( :(
Hey, look, there's some evidence of cross-universe interaction!
Yay! Although Faux, you need to stay offscreen for a while, because we just do NOT have time for you right now!
Awww, Peter's new wardrobe just makes him look even more alone and sad in this world that doesn't remember him.
Too-big ugly jacket of saaaaaaad!
As does Walter calling him "the subject." And "it"!
And jabbing him angrily in the gut! Although John Noble's myriad Faces Of Intense Grump are pretty amusing.
Observer hell?
Awww, full of eyebrow-less dudes in hats following you around and saying all your sentences along with you!
ARRGGGHHH, dammit, Lincoln, why did you have to interrupt just when Peter was about to tell her they used to be together?!
They need a little sign on the door: "Discussion of FEEEEELINGS in progress! Do not disturb!" Although from Olivia's reactions, I'm guessing that she's already figured it out, and keeps repeating the "I've totally never met you" thing to remind Peter to keep his distance. (Her little "too close! too close!" reaction when he tried to read over her shoulder? Sadness.)
That was totally the missing ingredient in this universe!
Yes! Snark will heal the multiverse!
Stephen Root(!)
!!! And did you know that the actor who plays his wife is Root's actual wife? Oh, Stephen Root. If only I could look at you and not see all the past characters you've played.
Astrid: This goes into your neck.
Peter: Of course it does.
And Olivia looked so sympathetic! I'm guessing the tank arc still happened in Amberverse.
Ohhhh, Walter looks way too happy about the possibility of Peter going up in a puff of smoke. :(
Happy, but... also scared by the realization of how much he would really prefer Peter not turn into confetti. Oh, John Noble! You and your playing multiple conflicting emotions simultaneously! Just get an Emmy already!
Well, I'm pretty sure Peter's theory that he's in another universe is a bust.
He can't just leave this Olivia and Walter on their own, all sad and broken! There's a Peter-shaped hole in this universe! Redverse could obviously get along just fine without Peter, but Amberverse neeeeeds him!
It's the Bishop house! Yay!
Yay! But... how is there a flat-screen tv in it? It's obviously not from pre-institutionalization. And Blue!Bishops didn't make arrangements to rent the house until like mid-S1. When did Amber!Walter get it?? Did Olivia set it up for him as soon as he got out of St. Clare's, and then after a few days Walter had a major freak-out and had to move into the lab?
Is the "Do I get an allowance?" / "I'll see what I can do" exchange also from the pilot or another early episode?
It felt that way, but I don't remember.
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Date: 2011-11-12 08:35 pm (UTC)But of course!
I'm thinking it's mirrored, since Joshua Jackson is normally so left-hand-dominant, and I'm pretty sure the little scar on the right side of his face isn't visible where it should be. I mean... I'm totally not creepily over-observant...
Riiiiiight.
But yeah, odd to flip a scene where a wedding ring is such a major prop. Hm.
They...wanted to indicate it was a dream...because it wouldn't be obvious from context...? I got nothin'.
This does point to Peter maybe remembering all of 2026's events, though.
Or perhaps just some really wishful thinking. I have a feeling he remembers broad outlines of 2011-2026, but maybe not with the clarity and detail as he remembers the rest of his life.
But from his "three years" comment, this dream seems to be happening in the almost immediate future? So Peter, sappy romantic that he is, is planning on marrying Olivia pretty much as soon as he gets the whole apocalypse thing sorted out? Awwwwwww!
I know! "Hey, we averted immediate apocalypse. Let's go down to the courthouse and get hitched!"
He has one! It's just that he's using it for a mattress. :( :( :(
EVEN SADDER!
Yay! Although Faux, you need to stay offscreen for a while, because we just do NOT have time for you right now!
I would actually like to see Faux and Olivia interacting again. Like, really a lot. Also, both Lincolns.
And jabbing him angrily in the gut!
"I will take out my anger on you with POKY FINGERS!"
Although John Noble's myriad Faces Of Intense Grump are pretty amusing.
Yeees. Although for some reason, this episode really made me miss Blue!Walter.
Awww, full of eyebrow-less dudes in hats following you around and saying all your sentences along with you!
Nooooo! BTW, speaking of Observers, have you seen The Adjustment Bureau? Because if it hadn't been based on a Philip K. Dick story, I would swear they stole the Observers straight from Fringe. It's a decent movie in addition to the obvious parallels, too.
They need a little sign on the door: "Discussion of FEEEEELINGS in progress! Do not disturb!"
I'll make one and send it to them!
Although from Olivia's reactions, I'm guessing that she's already figured it out, and keeps repeating the "I've totally never met you" thing to remind Peter to keep his distance.
Yyyyep. I also think this is not the last we've heard of her dreams. She didn't actually answer Peter as to what they were about, which leads me to believe they involved shippiness. Perhaps not the exact same ones, since she didn't react to him describing the park, but in the same ballpark...
(Her little "too close! too close!" reaction when he tried to read over her shoulder? Sadness.)
:( :( :(
And did you know that the actor who plays his wife is Root's actual wife?
Only after watching the episode!
Oh, Stephen Root. If only I could look at you and not see all the past characters you've played.
Stephen Root will always be Jimmy James for me.
And Olivia looked so sympathetic! I'm guessing the tank arc still happened in Amberverse.
"Poor guy. At least I got a local anesthetic."
Happy, but... also scared by the realization of how much he would really prefer Peter not turn into confetti. Oh, John Noble! You and your playing multiple conflicting emotions simultaneously! Just get an Emmy already!
Several of them, even!
He can't just leave this Olivia and Walter on their own, all sad and broken! There's a Peter-shaped hole in this universe! Redverse could obviously get along just fine without Peter, but Amberverse neeeeeds him!
He's the asphalt for the Peter-shaped pothole on the road of the universe!
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Date: 2011-11-12 11:43 pm (UTC)Those... mirror-image dreams.... yeah, I dunno.
I have a feeling he remembers broad outlines of 2011-2026, but maybe not with the clarity and detail as he remembers the rest of his life.
I should hope not. Poor guy.
"Hey, we averted immediate apocalypse. Let's go down to the courthouse and get hitched!"
"Quick, before the next apocalypse! I'm thinking we've only got until sweeps!"
I would actually like to see Faux and Olivia interacting again. Like, really a lot. Also, both Lincolns.
That would be awesome! BUT. First we need Olivia and Walter remembering Peter! PRIORITIES.
"I will take out my anger on you with POKY FINGERS!"
POKY FINGERS OF DENIAL!
Although for some reason, this episode really made me miss Blue!Walter.
Because we got a glimpse of Happy!Walter, and we haven't seen him in so long... :( (Little kid pushing him on the swings! OMG!)
speaking of Observers, have you seen The Adjustment Bureau?
No, I try to avoid Matt Damon movies. It does look eerily familiar, though!
She didn't actually answer Peter as to what they were about, which leads me to believe they involved shippiness.
I got the impression hers were more urgent, like Walter's visions. But yes, I think she's hiding something there.
Stephen Root will always be Jimmy James for me.
For me it's a strange mix of Milton from Office Space and Gay Vampire Eddie from True Blood.
"Poor guy. At least I got a local anesthetic."
"But how come he gets to keep his clothes on for this?"
He's the asphalt for the Peter-shaped pothole on the road of the universe!
And they need to do some road repairs before Walter snaps his axle like a twig and goes crashing into a ravine!
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Date: 2011-11-13 07:20 pm (UTC)True, true.
(Little kid pushing him on the swings! OMG!)
MY HEART MELTED.
No, I try to avoid Matt Damon movies.
Awww. Bad experiences? I think I've only ever seen him in this and Good Will Hunting, which I remember thinking was decent.
It does look eerily familiar, though!
So familiar! Not only do they look like Observers, they're basically more proactive versions of the same concept.
"But how come he gets to keep his clothes on for this?"
"Oh, wait, we air on Fox."
And they need to do some road repairs before Walter snaps his axle like a twig and goes crashing into a ravine!
A ravine of CRAZY!
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Date: 2011-11-14 04:31 am (UTC)WHAT IS WITH THIS SHOW AND ME NEEDING A JELL-O MOLD AND SEVERAL HOURS OF REFRIGERATION TO RECONSTITUTE MY HEART AFTERWARD??
I think I've only ever seen him in this and Good Will Hunting, which I remember thinking was decent.
Heh. He's made lots of mediocre political thrillers since then, I think, and those are just not my thing, so whenever I see him on a movie poster I'm like, "Oh. Must be a political thriller. Pass."
Not only do they look like Observers, they're basically more proactive versions of the same concept.
I may actually break my Matt Damon taboo and watch this! ...sometime when I'm really scraping the bottom of the Netflix barrel...
"Oh, wait, we air on Fox."
Where is Peter's equal-opportunity shirtlessness?? (Although I have been appreciating his endless parade of snug little t-shirts, lately...)
A ravine of CRAZY!
Walter knows no other kind of ravine!!
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Date: 2011-11-14 07:04 am (UTC)SOME NEFARIOUS PLOT TO INCREASE THE WORLD'S SUPPLY OF HEART-FLAVORED GELATIN? (Ew.)
He's made lots of mediocre political thrillers since then, I think, and those are just not my thing, so whenever I see him on a movie poster I'm like, "Oh. Must be a political thriller. Pass."
Ohhh, he's the Jason Bourne dude, right? Yeah, I give those a miss too. But FWIW, while this did have a political element (he plays a House rep running for election as senator), it was much more about him meeting Emily Blunt when he wasn't supposed to and
the Observersthe Adjustment Bureau trying to keep them apart in accordance with some mysterious plan that would see him become president and her a famous dancer if they weren't together. BUT THEY DEFY FATE! Naturally. (And very niftily; there's a sequence with doors all over NYC that's very cool-looking.) The characters are reasonably well-drawn, and it does a decent job exploring compromises people make at critical junctures in their lives and how those compromises ripple out, and generally it felt verrrry Fringey. Well, minus Olivia, which is a big minus, but still. I wouldn't necessarily recommend putting it at the top of your queue, but I thought it was worth two hours of my time.Where is Peter's equal-opportunity shirtlessness??
Perhaps if the show aired on Lifetime...
(Although I have been appreciating his endless parade of snug little t-shirts, lately...)
He does seem to have several, doesn't he?
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Date: 2011-11-15 01:17 am (UTC)Ewwwww.
...I just miiiiight bump The Adjustment Bureau further up my queue...
Perhaps if the show aired on Lifetime...
:::tries to imagine a Lifetime version of Fringe.... boggles:::
He does seem to have several, doesn't he?
Peter: "Broyles, thanks for the Witness Protection wardrobe, but all these shirts are half a size too small."
Broyles: "That's the only size we have in stock. You do know that the money to overnight-express a giant doomsday device to Liberty Island had to come from somewhere in the budget, right?"
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Date: 2011-11-12 07:36 pm (UTC)I DO believe in Bluniverse, I DO, I DO!! *clapclapclapclap*
I feel like this could be used to help fix the timeline in an interesting way.
Yes! Peter AND Olivia need to fix it, because That Is How Things Work!
Anyway, since this is Fringe, I'm reasonably certain any technology used to get back to Blueverse, in whatever way, is going to require an application of FEEEEEELINGS
SO DEFINITELY.
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Date: 2011-11-12 08:37 pm (UTC)I'm going with that one. It would explain the flatscreen, and the rest of the house only looked to have about three years of grime rather than twenty. Although it's odd that Walter owns it now, but they were only renting it back in Blueverse. Unless...in that universe, Walter owned it at one point, sold it, and didn't remember it when they rented it? Although Peter would've remembered it, unless Walter owned it and got rid of it before he brought Peter to his side.
Either way, obviously Peter is DESTINED to live in that house!
I DO believe in Bluniverse, I DO, I DO!! *clapclapclapclap*
Yeeeah, I thought of that comparison after I posted this. But these people get paid to think of cool stuff, so presumably they could come up with a better iteration of that idea.
Yes! Peter AND Olivia need to fix it, because That Is How Things Work!
Teamwork!
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Date: 2011-11-12 11:53 pm (UTC)Usually I don't assume writer malfunction on Fringe, but... this is awfully squirrelly.
Either way, obviously Peter is DESTINED to live in that house!
Yes! With Olivia and Walter!
But these people get paid to think of cool stuff, so presumably they could come up with a better iteration of that idea.
Ha, imagine that writers' meeting: "Okay, this outline is great! But... how to make the FBI less fairylike?"
Teamwork!
Epic Teamwork!
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Date: 2011-11-13 07:21 pm (UTC)Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to go with that one too.
Yes! With Olivia and Walter!
And a little tribe of Bishops!
Ha, imagine that writers' meeting: "Okay, this outline is great! But... how to make the FBI less fairylike?"
"Have Broyles glare a lot and mutter about stupid feelings?"
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Date: 2011-11-14 04:37 am (UTC)There's totally room for a tribe! That house is GINORMOUS!
"Have Broyles glare a lot and mutter about stupid feelings?"
Broyles saves the "We're totally a sci-fi show! About SCIENCE!" day again!